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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 21:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ewiak, I&#039;m glad someone has it figured out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ewiak, I&#8217;m glad someone has it figured out.</p>
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		<title>By: Ewiak Ryszard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ewiak Ryszard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Oct 2009 20:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Georgia is the most dangerous flashpoint in Russia&#039;s tense relations with the West. The Bible says: &quot;At the appointed time [the king of the north = Russia] will return [will regain the influence, which it lost after the break-up of the Soviet Union] and come into the south [many indicate that this might be Georgia], but it will not be as the former [1921] or as the latter [2008]. For shall come against him the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [the West], and he will be humbled, and will return.&quot; (Daniel 11:29,30a) 

At that time, peace will be taken from the earth and the &quot;great sword&quot; - nuclear sword - will be used. (Revelation 6:4) However, it will be neither the great tribulation nor &quot;the end of the world&quot; (Armageddon). As Jesus foretold, that will be &quot;the beginning of birth pains&quot;. (Mathew 24:7,8)

If the Heavens planned a full return of Russia (and much suggests this) the present economic crisis will deepen. Then also the European Union and NATO will not stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Georgia is the most dangerous flashpoint in Russia&#8217;s tense relations with the West. The Bible says: &#8220;At the appointed time [the king of the north = Russia] will return [will regain the influence, which it lost after the break-up of the Soviet Union] and come into the south [many indicate that this might be Georgia], but it will not be as the former [1921] or as the latter [2008]. For shall come against him the dwellers of coastlands of Kittim [the West], and he will be humbled, and will return.&#8221; (Daniel 11:29,30a) </p>
<p>At that time, peace will be taken from the earth and the &#8220;great sword&#8221; &#8211; nuclear sword &#8211; will be used. (Revelation 6:4) However, it will be neither the great tribulation nor &#8220;the end of the world&#8221; (Armageddon). As Jesus foretold, that will be &#8220;the beginning of birth pains&#8221;. (Mathew 24:7,8)</p>
<p>If the Heavens planned a full return of Russia (and much suggests this) the present economic crisis will deepen. Then also the European Union and NATO will not stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hans Mast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:44:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;1) To capture Tbilisi (capital of Georgia) Russian army enough 24 hours. I draw attention to this fact and, please do not call what is happening “Russian-Georgian WAR.” Not with whom to fight.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If an invasion and bombing campaign isn&#039;t war, I don&#039;t know what is. Simply because Russia backed down in the face of international pressure to stop their imperialism doesn&#039;t make it any less a war.

&lt;blockquote&gt;2) 8 August RUSSIA, not Georgia convened the emergency meeting of UN Security Council. UN remained indifferent. Punto non. UN dormant, but Russia began to operate.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It would have been as pointless for Georgia to convene the U.N. Security Council to stop an invasion by Russia (which has a veto) as it would have been for Sadaam to convene the Security Council to stop the invasion of the U.S. (which has a veto).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>1) To capture Tbilisi (capital of Georgia) Russian army enough 24 hours. I draw attention to this fact and, please do not call what is happening “Russian-Georgian WAR.” Not with whom to fight.</p></blockquote>
<p>If an invasion and bombing campaign isn&#8217;t war, I don&#8217;t know what is. Simply because Russia backed down in the face of international pressure to stop their imperialism doesn&#8217;t make it any less a war.</p>
<blockquote><p>2) 8 August RUSSIA, not Georgia convened the emergency meeting of UN Security Council. UN remained indifferent. Punto non. UN dormant, but Russia began to operate.</p></blockquote>
<p>It would have been as pointless for Georgia to convene the U.N. Security Council to stop an invasion by Russia (which has a veto) as it would have been for Sadaam to convene the Security Council to stop the invasion of the U.S. (which has a veto).</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Mast</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 21:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The question arises. What did the Georgian APCs in the conflict zone? Probably on mushrooms went on berries.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Defending their territory from Ossetian rebels attacking.

&lt;blockquote&gt;“Near the village had been hit two of our APC, it means necessary to destroy the village” - a different logic! So you support?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m afraid I&#039;m not entirely sure how to translate what you are saying, but it appears you are saying that the APCs were there to destroy the village? Well, I&#039;m sure that wasn&#039;t their ultimate goal, but if the village got destroyed while rebels were launching attacks on the army from that village, it&#039;s the rebels fault, not the Army&#039;s fault.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Read the article specified in the original. There is no word which confirms the fact that “rebels were attacking from Dmenis”. It may have been admitted any inaccuracies in the translation into English article.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Are you familiar with our political history? &quot;It depends upon what your definition of the word &#039;is&#039; is.&quot; The &lt;i&gt;Russian&lt;/i&gt; articles clearly paint the picture that rebel forces were attacking Georgian troops and villages from Dmenis and Tsunar. If you can&#039;t comprehend that from reading the Russian articles, I&#039;m afraid I can&#039;t help you further.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Very often meet in your notes the phrase “Only 20% of the buildings is destroyed”, but had never seen the source. Please, do not the time to share. =)
Perhaps the phrase sounded so “20% of buildings destroyed, and (let) 60% severely damaged”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Ok, you seem to be confused. Earlier in this discussion, I cited a report in &lt;a href=&quot;http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:ekGmTv6UFUEJ:www.interfax.com/3/420066/news.aspx+http://www.interfax-news.com/3/420066/news.aspx&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;client=firefox-a&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Interfax about Tskhinvali&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Russian Deputy Regional Development Minister Vladimir Blank told Interfax on Sunday. &quot;There are more than 7,000 buildings in South Ossetia&#039;s capital and one tenth of them are beyond repair,&quot; Blank said. About  20% of the city&#039;s buildings have suffered various damage, he said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, the South Ossetian &quot;Defense Ministry&quot; said that in the village of Dmenis, 20% of the buildings were destroyed. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.france24.com/en/20080807-georgian-rebel-region-reports-renewed-violence-rejects-direct-talks&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AFP&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;The rebel region&#039;s defence ministry said the village of Dmenis suffered worst, with 20 percent of its buildings destroyed.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I hate to break it to you, but Dmenis got off very easy for launching attacks on Georgian troops in ethnic Georgian villages. Such an attack is illegitimate even if one would say that South Ossetians should have their independence.

Also, your challenge &quot;Very often meet in your notes the phrase... but had never seen the source&quot; rings very hollow as I have been thoroughly documenting and quoting everything I say while you have been pulling things out of the rumor mill with no documentation whatsoever.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Often referred to the fact that only affected government buildings.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

When I said that, it was in the context of Tskhinvali, a fact backed up by eyewitness independent reporters.

&lt;blockquote&gt;I am afraid that you are short of cheating.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It&#039;s good to see that I remain safely short of cheating. :-D

&lt;blockquote&gt;People with camera rolled on residential areas Tshinvala:
http://rupor-naroda.livejournal.com/20991.html
I tend to believe that videotapes of more than a dry phrase official.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

As I have noted before, of course residential buildings were destroyed. It&#039;s called war. A war which the South Ossetians started with their rebellion. When rebels fight from houses, of course they will be destroyed. When the rebels are so firmly entrenched in a city, an artillery barrage is needed to displace them, of course some shells will miss. What has been shown by independent eyewitness reporters is that Georgia did not target residential areas unless rebels were fighting from those areas. In Tskhinvali, most of the buildings destroyed were rebel &quot;government&quot; buildings.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gfKSNGP_oBDsRC17UgXw34xQBhNwD92H0NE80&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;AP&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;    But there is little evidence civilians were specifically targeted by Georgian troops, as Russia claims.

    During a visit Tuesday arranged by the Russian government, journalists from The Associated Press and other Western media were escorted into the city aboard armored vehicles.

    […]

    The heaviest damage from the recent fighting appeared to be around Tskhinvali’s government center. More than a dozen buildings in the area were little more than scorched shells.

    […]

    Several residential areas seemed to have little damage, except for shattered windows, perhaps from bomb concussions.

    […]

    However, the district stands on a hillside in the line of fire between Georgian rocket position and Tskhinvali’s government center, located around the university. Some civilians in the area conceded Georgian fire at the government building might have fallen short.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Also, I don&#039;t see any video at the link you gave. I only see a picture of a video camera.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Unfortunately it does not open.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

So your government is censoring the truth? Surprise, surprise. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.michaeltotten.com.nyud.net:8080/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Here&#039;s a cache&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7ljYLxIio0Al.1XNyoA/SIG=1957052b8/EXP=1220391395/**http%3a//cache.search.yahoo.net/search/cache%3fei=UTF-8%26p=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.michaeltotten.com%252Farchives%252F2008%252F08%252Fthe-truth-about-1.php%26vm=r%26fr=megaup%26u=www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php%26d=dogrAxg5RZOR%26icp=1%26.intl=us&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a cache&lt;/a&gt; and &lt;a href=&quot;http://hansmast.com/media/the-truth-about-1.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&#039;s a cache&lt;/a&gt;. Hopefully the FSB won&#039;t have its grimy little fingers in all of them.

&lt;blockquote&gt;This delirium I was not able to read. Prior to that, even cnn and bbc dodumalis not!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If only you realized the delicious, rich irony of your statement. Delirium. :-D

&lt;blockquote&gt;But for such a purpose and all Osetin not a sin to destroy!&lt;/blockquote&gt;

If we&#039;re going to communicate, either you&#039;re going to have to learn English or I&#039;ll have to learn Russian. I&#039;ve got my hands a little full right now learning Arabic, and since you&#039;ve made a good start at learning English (or you at least know how to run Babelfish), I suggest you learn English.

&lt;blockquote&gt;A very big question. Why all Ossetians in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Abkhazia all you call rebels? [...]

Even your speech will acquire the right shade.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I don&#039;t call them all rebels. I&#039;m sure there are peaceful South Ossetians and Abkhazians that aren&#039;t committing treason and rebelling against their democratically elected government. However, those that are, I call rebels. If you&#039;d be honest you would too. What did you call those that rebelled against Russia in Chechnya?

&lt;blockquote&gt;Can rebels is replaced by “indigenous people”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No, actually the rebels replaced the indigenous people when they ethnically cleansed all the ethnic Georgians from their midst. As recently as several weeks ago, 25% of the population of South Ossetia was ethnic Georgians. That number was probably much higher before the first rebellion in the early 1990s.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/13/russia19620.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Human Rights Watch&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;However, moving back from Tskhinvali to Java on the evening of August 13, Human Rights Watch researchers saw, for the second day running, houses that were ablaze in several Georgian villages. They had clearly just been torched. One counterintelligence officer of the South Ossetian forces claimed to Human Rights Watch that: “We burned these houses. We want to make sure that they [the Georgians] can’t come back, because if they do come back, this will be a Georgian enclave again and this should not happen.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I&#039;m sorry Mr. MIR, but accusing Georgians of brutality and genocide is an exercise in futility that is not backed up by the facts. The facts are quite the opposite: it is Ossetians and Russian committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. And do you know what the ultimate irony is? It&#039;s massively hypocritical in light of Chechnya.

I&#039;m working on a post right now entitled, &quot;Tskhinvali and Grozny: The Great Russian Hypocrisy&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The question arises. What did the Georgian APCs in the conflict zone? Probably on mushrooms went on berries.</p></blockquote>
<p>Defending their territory from Ossetian rebels attacking.</p>
<blockquote><p>“Near the village had been hit two of our APC, it means necessary to destroy the village” &#8211; a different logic! So you support?</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid I&#8217;m not entirely sure how to translate what you are saying, but it appears you are saying that the APCs were there to destroy the village? Well, I&#8217;m sure that wasn&#8217;t their ultimate goal, but if the village got destroyed while rebels were launching attacks on the army from that village, it&#8217;s the rebels fault, not the Army&#8217;s fault.</p>
<blockquote><p>Read the article specified in the original. There is no word which confirms the fact that “rebels were attacking from Dmenis”. It may have been admitted any inaccuracies in the translation into English article.</p></blockquote>
<p>Are you familiar with our political history? &#8220;It depends upon what your definition of the word &#8216;is&#8217; is.&#8221; The <i>Russian</i> articles clearly paint the picture that rebel forces were attacking Georgian troops and villages from Dmenis and Tsunar. If you can&#8217;t comprehend that from reading the Russian articles, I&#8217;m afraid I can&#8217;t help you further.</p>
<blockquote><p>Very often meet in your notes the phrase “Only 20% of the buildings is destroyed”, but had never seen the source. Please, do not the time to share. =)<br />
Perhaps the phrase sounded so “20% of buildings destroyed, and (let) 60% severely damaged”?</p></blockquote>
<p>Ok, you seem to be confused. Earlier in this discussion, I cited a report in <a href="http://209.85.135.104/search?q=cache:ekGmTv6UFUEJ:www.interfax.com/3/420066/news.aspx+http://www.interfax-news.com/3/420066/news.aspx&amp;hl=en&amp;ct=clnk&amp;cd=1&amp;client=firefox-a" rel="nofollow">Interfax about Tskhinvali</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Russian Deputy Regional Development Minister Vladimir Blank told Interfax on Sunday. &#8220;There are more than 7,000 buildings in South Ossetia&#8217;s capital and one tenth of them are beyond repair,&#8221; Blank said. About  20% of the city&#8217;s buildings have suffered various damage, he said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, the South Ossetian &#8220;Defense Ministry&#8221; said that in the village of Dmenis, 20% of the buildings were destroyed. <a href="http://www.france24.com/en/20080807-georgian-rebel-region-reports-renewed-violence-rejects-direct-talks" rel="nofollow">AFP</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>The rebel region&#8217;s defence ministry said the village of Dmenis suffered worst, with 20 percent of its buildings destroyed.</p></blockquote>
<p>I hate to break it to you, but Dmenis got off very easy for launching attacks on Georgian troops in ethnic Georgian villages. Such an attack is illegitimate even if one would say that South Ossetians should have their independence.</p>
<p>Also, your challenge &#8220;Very often meet in your notes the phrase&#8230; but had never seen the source&#8221; rings very hollow as I have been thoroughly documenting and quoting everything I say while you have been pulling things out of the rumor mill with no documentation whatsoever.</p>
<blockquote><p>Often referred to the fact that only affected government buildings.</p></blockquote>
<p>When I said that, it was in the context of Tskhinvali, a fact backed up by eyewitness independent reporters.</p>
<blockquote><p>I am afraid that you are short of cheating.</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#8217;s good to see that I remain safely short of cheating. <img src='http://hansmast.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>People with camera rolled on residential areas Tshinvala:<br />
<a href="http://rupor-naroda.livejournal.com/20991.html" rel="nofollow">http://rupor-naroda.livejournal.com/20991.html</a><br />
I tend to believe that videotapes of more than a dry phrase official.</p></blockquote>
<p>As I have noted before, of course residential buildings were destroyed. It&#8217;s called war. A war which the South Ossetians started with their rebellion. When rebels fight from houses, of course they will be destroyed. When the rebels are so firmly entrenched in a city, an artillery barrage is needed to displace them, of course some shells will miss. What has been shown by independent eyewitness reporters is that Georgia did not target residential areas unless rebels were fighting from those areas. In Tskhinvali, most of the buildings destroyed were rebel &#8220;government&#8221; buildings.</p>
<p><a href="http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gfKSNGP_oBDsRC17UgXw34xQBhNwD92H0NE80" rel="nofollow">AP</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>    But there is little evidence civilians were specifically targeted by Georgian troops, as Russia claims.</p>
<p>    During a visit Tuesday arranged by the Russian government, journalists from The Associated Press and other Western media were escorted into the city aboard armored vehicles.</p>
<p>    […]</p>
<p>    The heaviest damage from the recent fighting appeared to be around Tskhinvali’s government center. More than a dozen buildings in the area were little more than scorched shells.</p>
<p>    […]</p>
<p>    Several residential areas seemed to have little damage, except for shattered windows, perhaps from bomb concussions.</p>
<p>    […]</p>
<p>    However, the district stands on a hillside in the line of fire between Georgian rocket position and Tskhinvali’s government center, located around the university. Some civilians in the area conceded Georgian fire at the government building might have fallen short.</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, I don&#8217;t see any video at the link you gave. I only see a picture of a video camera.</p>
<blockquote><p>Unfortunately it does not open.</p></blockquote>
<p>So your government is censoring the truth? Surprise, surprise. <a href="http://www.michaeltotten.com.nyud.net:8080/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php" rel="nofollow">Here&#8217;s a cache</a> and <a href="http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geu7ljYLxIio0Al.1XNyoA/SIG=1957052b8/EXP=1220391395/**http%3a//cache.search.yahoo.net/search/cache%3fei=UTF-8%26p=http%253A%252F%252Fwww.michaeltotten.com%252Farchives%252F2008%252F08%252Fthe-truth-about-1.php%26vm=r%26fr=megaup%26u=www.michaeltotten.com/archives/2008/08/the-truth-about-1.php%26d=dogrAxg5RZOR%26icp=1%26.intl=us" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a cache</a> and <a href="http://hansmast.com/media/the-truth-about-1.html" rel="nofollow">here&#8217;s a cache</a>. Hopefully the FSB won&#8217;t have its grimy little fingers in all of them.</p>
<blockquote><p>This delirium I was not able to read. Prior to that, even cnn and bbc dodumalis not!</p></blockquote>
<p>If only you realized the delicious, rich irony of your statement. Delirium. <img src='http://hansmast.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<blockquote><p>But for such a purpose and all Osetin not a sin to destroy!</p></blockquote>
<p>If we&#8217;re going to communicate, either you&#8217;re going to have to learn English or I&#8217;ll have to learn Russian. I&#8217;ve got my hands a little full right now learning Arabic, and since you&#8217;ve made a good start at learning English (or you at least know how to run Babelfish), I suggest you learn English.</p>
<blockquote><p>A very big question. Why all Ossetians in South Ossetia and Abkhazia in Abkhazia all you call rebels? [...]</p>
<p>Even your speech will acquire the right shade.</p></blockquote>
<p>I don&#8217;t call them all rebels. I&#8217;m sure there are peaceful South Ossetians and Abkhazians that aren&#8217;t committing treason and rebelling against their democratically elected government. However, those that are, I call rebels. If you&#8217;d be honest you would too. What did you call those that rebelled against Russia in Chechnya?</p>
<blockquote><p>Can rebels is replaced by “indigenous people”?</p></blockquote>
<p>No, actually the rebels replaced the indigenous people when they ethnically cleansed all the ethnic Georgians from their midst. As recently as several weeks ago, 25% of the population of South Ossetia was ethnic Georgians. That number was probably much higher before the first rebellion in the early 1990s.</p>
<p><a href="http://hrw.org/english/docs/2008/08/13/russia19620.htm" rel="nofollow">Human Rights Watch</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>However, moving back from Tskhinvali to Java on the evening of August 13, Human Rights Watch researchers saw, for the second day running, houses that were ablaze in several Georgian villages. They had clearly just been torched. One counterintelligence officer of the South Ossetian forces claimed to Human Rights Watch that: “We burned these houses. We want to make sure that they [the Georgians] can’t come back, because if they do come back, this will be a Georgian enclave again and this should not happen.”</p></blockquote>
<p>I&#8217;m sorry Mr. MIR, but accusing Georgians of brutality and genocide is an exercise in futility that is not backed up by the facts. The facts are quite the opposite: it is Ossetians and Russian committing genocide, ethnic cleansing, and war crimes. And do you know what the ultimate irony is? It&#8217;s massively hypocritical in light of Chechnya.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m working on a post right now entitled, &#8220;Tskhinvali and Grozny: The Great Russian Hypocrisy&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Helios</title>
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		<dc:creator>Helios</dc:creator>
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		<description>Russia had little to no right to invade Georgia proper (i.e. beyond South Ossetia), and it&#039;s questionable that there was significant cause for them to legitimately invade any part of Sovereign Georgia (including South Ossetia). Any pretext has been set up by Russia over the last year - including granting citizenship to the population of a renegade province in another sovereign country. 

Granted I am upset that Mikheil Saakashvili took Russia&#039;s bait, but I have little doubt that if he hadn&#039;t, Russia would have eventually designed another pretext to invade. My greatest fury is at the utter lack of useful response by the Federal Government (i.e. Bush the Coward) and the European Union (i.e. The Useless Gits). We abandoned an ally which is unforgivable. We should have at least made a show of force, such as redirecting a Battle Group toward the Black Sea. What we need to do is push the Russians out of the country and throw down the gauntlet. Diplomacy is useless in dealing with Putin, as can be seen by constant Russian violations of the so called cease fire and its use of Georgian civilians as force laborers (I&#039;d use the term slave labor). Putin means to weaken the Republic of Georgia to the point of utter collapse, and George Bush bears some responsibility by his lack of response to the situation. 

Since the US Government and European Union have failed to act, it is incumbent upon the citizenry to do what the government has not. What to do?

1. First, always complain to your Representatives and Senators. Call for any and all means to restore Georgian Sovereignty. This of course will accomplish little to nothing as many politicians are base cowards and sycophants, but you have to try.

2. Domestic Energy - I know we don’t like the topic, but it has to be aired and new sources of fuel, both conventional and alternative must be found and developed.

3. Withdraw any and all investments in Russia and Russian Firms. Call on American companies to not do business in Russia.

4. Protest at Russian consultants and Embassies. Interfere with traffic in and out. Submit bogus requests to waste their time and energy.
5. Take down Russia websites and servers - hackers attack. Cost them as much money as possible.
6. Support Georgian resistance groups when and if the time comes.

7. Actively support separatist groups in Russia proper – give Putin a taste of his own medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Russia had little to no right to invade Georgia proper (i.e. beyond South Ossetia), and it&#8217;s questionable that there was significant cause for them to legitimately invade any part of Sovereign Georgia (including South Ossetia). Any pretext has been set up by Russia over the last year &#8211; including granting citizenship to the population of a renegade province in another sovereign country. </p>
<p>Granted I am upset that Mikheil Saakashvili took Russia&#8217;s bait, but I have little doubt that if he hadn&#8217;t, Russia would have eventually designed another pretext to invade. My greatest fury is at the utter lack of useful response by the Federal Government (i.e. Bush the Coward) and the European Union (i.e. The Useless Gits). We abandoned an ally which is unforgivable. We should have at least made a show of force, such as redirecting a Battle Group toward the Black Sea. What we need to do is push the Russians out of the country and throw down the gauntlet. Diplomacy is useless in dealing with Putin, as can be seen by constant Russian violations of the so called cease fire and its use of Georgian civilians as force laborers (I&#8217;d use the term slave labor). Putin means to weaken the Republic of Georgia to the point of utter collapse, and George Bush bears some responsibility by his lack of response to the situation. </p>
<p>Since the US Government and European Union have failed to act, it is incumbent upon the citizenry to do what the government has not. What to do?</p>
<p>1. First, always complain to your Representatives and Senators. Call for any and all means to restore Georgian Sovereignty. This of course will accomplish little to nothing as many politicians are base cowards and sycophants, but you have to try.</p>
<p>2. Domestic Energy &#8211; I know we don’t like the topic, but it has to be aired and new sources of fuel, both conventional and alternative must be found and developed.</p>
<p>3. Withdraw any and all investments in Russia and Russian Firms. Call on American companies to not do business in Russia.</p>
<p>4. Protest at Russian consultants and Embassies. Interfere with traffic in and out. Submit bogus requests to waste their time and energy.<br />
5. Take down Russia websites and servers &#8211; hackers attack. Cost them as much money as possible.<br />
6. Support Georgian resistance groups when and if the time comes.</p>
<p>7. Actively support separatist groups in Russia proper – give Putin a taste of his own medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: Ron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:15:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hans,

Thanks for this great analysis.</description>
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<p>Thanks for this great analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Stephen Horn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Stephen Horn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Russians are power mongers. They have been and also will be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Russians are power mongers. They have been and also will be.</p>
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		<title>By: James Young</title>
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		<dc:creator>James Young</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 01:34:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yushchenko&#039;s wife, Katerina, is former Washington resident and Reaganite Kathy Chumachenko.  She has many friends in the Washington area, including yours truly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yushchenko&#8217;s wife, Katerina, is former Washington resident and Reaganite Kathy Chumachenko.  She has many friends in the Washington area, including yours truly.</p>
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